Saturday, 04 September 2010 11:19

Expectation surrounds England's title bid


Evenly matched on the field, England and New Zealand are certainly not equals off it. Ali Donnelly looks at the lopsided preparation of the two teams in the World Cup Final and says England must deliver.

We all know the stats. England have played 36 test games since the last World Cup taking in the 6 Nations, Nations Cup, FIRA matches and other friendlies.

New Zealand have in comparison played a paltry seven with four games against Australia and two full tests against England last November and a match against England's second string making up the miserly total of their matches since they lifted the title in 2006.

In the interim England have also operated an A squad and an U20 side who have played pretty regularly with New Zealand having no such luxury and having no such teams on the circuit.

England's representative sides include a County, Regional and Super 4 series while New Zealand have the NPC which didn't even happen this year because of a cut in funding.

A cold look at both team's preparation suggests that England should be streets ahead of the Black Ferns this year. Rarely can there be a World Cup final in rugby where one side has had the opportunity to play so many more test games in the build-up over another, but cold stats mean nothing when you see New Zealand in action.

England are also unquestionably the best resourced team in the world in terms of funding and the RFUW is to be commended for how they operate with slick national sides on the circuit at a variety of levels and lots of exposure for the country's top teams.

What it means though is that England's rugby community now expect four years of immaculate resources and support to translate into a World title. If they fail in their bid on Sunday there will be plenty of questions asked about how anyone can expect to overturn New Zealand's dominance at World Cups. Simply put, if England, with all of their funding and preparation can't do it, then who can?

New Zealand don't look on a lack of test games as too much of a hindrance. In fact you get the feeling when you talk to their players that they almost prefer it. Their NPC matches and Black Fern camps are intense enough contests and they like to take the World by surprise with their blend of blistering pace and power when they rock up every four years.

The onset of rugby 7s at the Olympics will certainly impact the balance of funding between now and the next World Cup for both of these teams, but if New Zealand march on to a fourth title in a row on Sunday, England will be left rightly wondering just what else they could possibly do to catch up.

An England win might be just what is needed for the global game to believe that all of their hard work in trying to catch up with the amazing standards the Black Ferns have set is paying off but no doubt New Zealand will have something to say about that.

 

 

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  • Simon - Evenly Matched
    Evenly matched on the field, England and New Zealand are certainly not equals off it.

    Black Ferns v England, on the field:

    Played 12, Won 10, Draw 0, Loss 2, Aggregate 333-118, Average 28-10, 83.33%
  • Simon - and now..
    Played 13, Won 11, Draw 0, Loss 2, Aggregate 346-128, Average 27-10, 84.61%
  • Ian Whittaker - Thr right team won!
    Listened to the second half, having followed the first on your live updates (thanks for that, pity the BBC couldn't manage it, despite doing it for mens games that involve only SH teams). Would have been a travesty if the Ferns hadn't won. It seems the England women have been coached by the same people as their mens team! Only dangerous from goalkicks and set pieces within 10 meters of the line.
    Well played to both teams though. But England seriously need to hope that the kiwis don't start tsking this game a bit more seriously.
  • Simon
    Ian - What may not have been apparent from your coverage was how atrociously one-sided the officiating of Australian referee Sarah Corrigan was.

    Corrigan was truly awful, bordering on disgraceful. That the Black Ferns were capable of overcoming such poor officiating is the story of this match.
  • Ian Whittaker
    Yeah, a number of the comments on Ali's live updates, plus her match report, not to mention some comments by the radio commentary team on 5live (none of whom can be described as pro-kiwi), lead one to think that there were problems with her interpretation of the breakdown laws. That's the charitable view anyway. Kept England in the game. I'll watch the highlights at 1300 on BBC 2 tomorrow. See what the problem was there in more detail.
    Let's hope the NZRU pull their finger out now and get this funding issue sorted out. You don't see the netbsll girls struggling like this. The girls deserve all the credit, and the NZRU very little, if any.
  • Darren - Poor officiating ruined the match
    The officiating was disgraceful for a World Cup final. England almost seemed shellshocked for the first 15 minutes and even the terrible refereeing could bring them back into it. It was a gutsy Black ferns effort. Although this might sound horribly sexist, the best referee available should be doing the world cup final. And all other pool games for that matter. the refeeres should not be appointed on gender, and Im sure on the quiet a vast majority of womens players would agree that they would much rather be reffed by an international quality ref
  • Ged - The Final
    My daughter&I got up at 4a.m to watch this game and though we were rewarded with a gripping contest I couldn't help feeling robbed of a spectacle by the mystifying officiating.The lineout awarded to England late in the game when an England player muffed a clearance was the final straw.Even the players looked baffled when the kiwi hooker was told it was an England throw in!The Black Ferns were unable to adapt to the Referee's "interpretation"-(something that hadn't happened hitherto in the tournament)-and thereby were unable to get any flow going.It appeared to me that the "superbly conditioned"(to quote a commentator)English team lacked the physical fitness requisite for the sort of game NZ brought to the competition.The number of penalties virtually kept England in the match right to the death.
  • ted jones - Quality of refereeing
    We all thought that the southerm refs were up to the mark but I think the the aussie ref felt she needed to be unbiased to the point of assisting the pomps.
    I think that gender should not be a part of the selection process, but that said the males haven't been much better this year. I think we need more coaching for all refs
  • Jason Ratcliffe - Referees
    I have said since before the first game that it was great that the wrwc was to be referee'd by female officials bit only if they were the best referee's in the world, which they were not on this tournaments performances.

    I have referee'd myself so this isn't another 'let's whinge about the whistler' but they lacked consistency and made very basic errors, never mind trying understand their definition of the breakdown.

    This inconsistency was summed up by the performance of the Australian in the final. Now I'm English but how on earth NZ were nor awarded a penalty try in the 2nd half when Amy Turner pulled back the kiwi on the try line god only knows.

    Anyway- the best team won on the day and NZ deserved too over the tournament.


  • John Birch - Not that surprising
    All I can add is that - tough though Corrigan was - her performance was entirely in line with what had gone on in the rest of the tournament. Indeed, if anything, as things went on performances like Corrigan's became more and more common.

    If you want to know why, sit next to the referee's assessor and you will soon learn that they were under clear pressure from the IRB to officiate in this way - to let nothing go. Ali's interview with the referee's manager mid tournament confirmed this.

    It is also noticeable that the teams that had played the most high-profile internationals in recent years suffered least. I haven't checked totals for the final day, but over the first four days England had one YC, Scotland 1, Ireland 2, Wales 3. Compare that with Australia 6, South Africa 7, New Zealand 3 (plus 3 more in the final - the only game when they were pressured).

    In short this level of refereeing is what the Six Nations teams are used to. These interpretations are - as Ali's interview ...
  • Rob - I agree ...
    I'd watched every pool match - every match, actually - up to the final, and don't think Corrigan was inconsistent with the way the games were reffed by anyone throughout. The tempo was set in the encounter between Australia and Wales, and really every team should have 'adjusted' then if not before because the directives about rolling away and releasing the tackled player have been in place for a while. After watching that game, I watched a 3N match and it struck me how different general play looked. From one that was relatively clean and free from penalisable infringements at the break down, to one where they were rampant and the ref could only address the ones which were most blatant while trying to be consistent. The women's game was the 'cleaner' of the two.

    My impression of the final was that Corrigan gave plenty of warnings and certain players didn't heed. In the cases of the yellow cards, each player had done something to slow down play - which is what the IRB has been f...
  • ged - Rob
    Rob...My hat off to you for having seen every match! Brilliant! Could you please explain how the kiwi flyhalf-Richards-was infringing when she had rolled to the periphery of the ruck and was lying there with her arms wrapped around her head for protection-pinned under an England player?
    ...I came to the same conclusion as you regarding teams (in)ability to "adapt" to the Ref on the day...NZ,with a paltry handful of matches(5?)in the past 4 years were probably naive in not changing tactics.That said-the frequency of penalties killed the match as a spectacle-something the IRB should be very concerned about.
  • Anonymous
    Good point John, one that makes perfect sense actually.I found it remarkable that some teams turned the IRB's offer of having a session with a referee during the camps down. For teams who don't play much between World Cups this would obviously have been of benefit.

    Have said elsewhere that I didn't think Anna Richards deserved a yellow. It didn't look like she could get away any quicker. Ruscoe deserved hers though.
  • Ali
    Forgot to leave my name there - the above post is from me!
  • John Birch
    I think Anna was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Corrigan up to that point have given at least three or four warnings, including one barely a minute before. The line was presumably "listen to what I am saying, I am not joking, get your team in order because the next person who remotely infringes is off".
  • Ali
    Did she infringe though? She made a tackle, rolled and then couldn't get away. Her hands were covering her head so she's clearly not trying to get to the ball. I guess as a player you have to yell out that you can't get away these days.
  • ruckinrugby - I thought it was fine
    I watched most of the game and thought the officiating was fine - in fact after years of watching the Men's AB team it was actually quite blessed relief to see someone actually police the breakdown and stick to their word. England's discipline was better and that is why we got less yellow cards - it may well be why we lost too. The girls look like the Mens teams we see nowadays - and that is 'coached to death'. It's all robotic, everything looks like a set piece move and when that fails ... everything stops - it is easy to beat teams like this if you are the ABs.

    When the 2 teams came out for the 2nd half, all of the ABs were smiling, relaxed and enjoying themselves (imagine?) and our girls looked as if they knew that if they didn't win ... questions would be asked. Questions - as usual here in UK, ALLLLLL about money!! Please give it a rest and let's start enjoying it all again - the Kiwis enjoyed their rugby and played as a team - an actual TEAM - with endeavour, guile and misch...
  • andy - ref
    The ref was highly inconsistant at the rucks yes.The irb has not added any new ;aws this season just going back to the letter of the law ie the tackler must release the tackled player before going for the ball.
    I watched the double header at twickenham and the refs pretty much officiatted the same way as Corrigan did.Lots and lots of penalties.
    It might have helped the women if irb had not put these directives in until after the world cup.All the teams had been used to refs doing the same thing for the last few years then change it at the start of the tournament.
    It will take time to adapt(Kiwis took 40 mins ) and play to the refs .
    Hopefully it will make for a more exciting game we shall see...
  • ruckinrugby - sorry
    don't you hate it when a website cuts off half of your post and doesn't make it available to see?? I finished by saying that I thought our girls played a fantastic game but the kiwis deserved to win and I also think the reffing was consistent and fine - I do however think many English sports teams are 'over coached' as our Universities turn out more and more specialists, tacticians, dieticians and lord knows what else - it looked like the Kiwis (much like the men) had been coached HARD in the basics and then left to add their own 'style' on top ...... and it seems it works. PS - is it me or could ewe have done with our 15 joining the line more as she was mustard.
  • Ali
    Sorry about that! I didn't know the comments were cut off at a certain point. Will have a look at that. Thanks!
  • pierre
    Another key of this finale is last week fixture.
    On round 3 : all Blacks leaders rested. Meanwhile most of English ones played USA.
    Wednesday on semi final. Blacks took it easy on second half. Meanwhile Whites had 80 minutes of thought match against Aussies. Losing two key players and a lot of energy.
    Sunday English were exhausted during last 20 minutes. Impossible to make the difference then, even at 15 against 14.

  • ged
    Au contraire Pierre! England made much of their vaunted squad depth prior to the Final.For a side with so much "preparation" I was surprised how unfit many of the english girls looked.Turner,at halfback a prime example.I believe if the game had had any sort of flow to it England would have been out on their feet by the 60 min mark.
  • ruckinrugby - Thank you Ged
    I wasn't sure how to bring up the subject of 'Professional Conditioning' and the England 'starting' number 9 but there is certainly something wrong there, - does anyone know the story? Late replacement?
  • Ali
    No she is very much the starter - has been for years now. I wouldn't want to get into that debate save to say she is a brilliant 9, regardless of her size. I've seen her beat wingers on a straight sprint and she tackles like a flanker so it's never made much difference.
  • Grand manitou - Thanks god
    It's just rugby and a step forward look at all those comment they have a place in our world

    luv all

    christus
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